#alpha quadra

[lumpyorganelle]

Alpha quadra socionics

Alpha, or the 'first' quadra, includes ILE, SEI, ESE, and LII. Reinin characterizes this quadra as Judicious, Merry, and Democratic.

Valued/dominant information elements:

Ne, Ti, Fe, Si

Subdued/unvalued information elements:

Se, Ni, Te, Fi

Outlook on life/keywords:

light-heartedness, down-to-earth, to have a good time and fun, avoidance of pain and taking things too literally/seriously, not overly competitive or ambitious, goofy, warm, sociable, child-like, curiosity, intellectual banter/tangents, exchange of abstract ideas, judgement-free, merriness, enthusiasm, freedom of speech, democratic, entertainment, community, less inclined to making long-term commitment, present-oriented

values:

sensory and mental comfort, peace, simplicity, family, relaxation over force, avoidance of conflict, high-pressure, (Si > Se)

possibilities, subjectivity, openness to new, abstract and unusual ideas, 'what if this happens? what if this is possible?' etc, multiple viewpoints rather than one definite one (Ne > Ni)

exchange of theoretical ideas for fun/intellectual stimulation rather than the practical merit/appliance (Ti > Te)

warm emotionally charged/comfortable/cozy atmospheres, mood/vibe, community/collectivist oriented, absence of dogmatic judgements/harsh opinions and emphasis on psychological closeness (lack of in-group/out-groups bias; openness to everyone) (Fe > Fi)

fantasy setting analogy (u/G-G_Sensei ., A take on quadras as types of narration (2023) r/socionics):

adventure novel set in some kind of golden age of great exploration. Lots of focus on vastness and stimulation of new-found worlds, detailed descriptions of luscious nature, geeky science in linnean fashion, group environments ("western"-like society, ship personnel, tribes on remote islands, etc)

Negatives/cons:

other types (especially those that value Fi or Te) may view this quadra as superficial, obnoxious and obtrusive. May find them irritating because they are unable to be serious and may be dismissive, detached or insensitive.

memes:

by u/kingofdictionopolis:

By u/Allieloopdeloop:

References:

https://www.personalitycafe.com/threads/reflections-on-alpha-quadra-descriptions.221258/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Socionics/comments/1abh2nj/summary_of_quadra_attitudes/

https://socionics.world/socionics-quadra/1/Alpha

[windudemon]

socionics quadras with some good art

this is alpha quadra. alpha quadra is democratic, judicious and merry. from left to right: esfj, entp, intp and isfj.

the idea behind quadras comes from cognitive function “blocks”. when people has Ne and Ti together, then they like:

highly theoretical concepts as a source of intellectual stimulation and fun rather than for their practical merits.

logically consistent beliefs and ideas, and behavior that is consistent with personal values.

follow through on their ideas in the form of group activity.

then, when people also has Fe and Si together they like:

participating in groups where there is free exchange of positive emotional expression in an atmosphere pleasing to the senses.

discuss stories told in detail and according to the sequence in which events happened, rather than “jump to the point” quickly.

show affection for others in the form of small practical services or gifts.

feel energized in the positive atmosphere of special events, such as public holidays, parties and special celebrations.

this is beta quadra. they are decisive, merry and aristocratic. from left to right: infj, estp, enfj and istp.

ti along with se:

Beta quadra types prefer situations where the power structure and hierarchy is clearly defined according to consistent rules where ambiguities are minimized.

Beta quadra types are more confident analyzing realistic characteristics of situations, people, and objects, rather than alternative and could-it-be scenarios.

Beta quadra types are inclined to attribute to a new acquaintance traits that they have previously observed in other individuals belonging to the same group as they see the new acquaintance as belonging to (Aristocracy).

Beta quadra types are inclined to look for general rules explaining people, politics, mechanisms and trends, rules that once defined can be applied generally, rather than go about things in a case-by-case way.

Beta quadra types are energized by competitive situations where analytical tactics are emphasized

fe along with ni:

Beta types tend to enjoy group activities where the whole group participates in generating a common emotional atmosphere, as in laughing at jokes, etc.

Beta types tend to feel energized in the presence of people who share their beliefs and express them with obvious enthusiasm and emotion.

Beta types tend to give more value to feelings when they are demonstrated with clear emotional expression, and tend to increase the level of their own emotional expression in order to get a reaction from other people.

Beta types tend to describe personal views of special meaning with “poetic” or “dramatic” expressions and language.

Beta types are often deeply concerned about social issues and the direction the world is heading. They believe that apathy is a significant cause of societal problems, and work to fight against it.

this is gamma quadra. they are decisive, serious and democratic. from left to right: intj, isfp, esfp and entj.

te along with ni:

Gamma types take a longer-term view regarding efficiency and profitability, giving lower priority to the short term. Likewise, they tend to aim at the broader benefits of decisions, rather than only at those affecting themselves, giving them an inclination for self-sacrifice.

Gamma types like to talk about where present trends are leading in terms of potentially profitable events and undertakings.

Gamma types tend to give more value to ideas and concepts that are firmly connected to factual information.

fi along with se:

Gamma types take a hard-line approach regarding ethical principles and the punishment, even revenge, on those who break them.

Gamma types place high value on personal loyalty, once they feel a close relationship has been established.

Gamma types like to discuss personal relationships in a realistic manner and are skeptical that “jerks” can ever become “nice people”, for instance.

and finally this is delta quadra. they are judicious, serious and aristocratic. from left to right: enfp, infp, istj and estj.

te along with si:

Delta types make a point of talking about the rationale behind their actions and emphasizing the productiveness or unproductiveness of different ways of doing things – even in such emotional areas as personal relationships.

Delta types value peaceful, refreshing activities where they are doing something useful and balancing out their inner world at the same time.

Delta types have the philosophy that they will have to rely on their own industriousness to achieve their goals rather than on luck, speculation, group effort, or strong leadership.

ne along with fi:

Delta types love to share personal experience mixed with their own sentiments regarding their experiences, but all in an insightful and non-dramatic manner.

Delta types like to talk about new beginnings, opportunities for personal growth, and their plans and prospects for the future.

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[caboosie]

and you know what tommorow im gonna dip my toes into titan i think too. i gotta see what is making these people my opps. I even already had triple 100 ready if im remembering correctly.....despite not playing the class

[reficu1]

I mentioned that I will write about mbti without stereotypes, at least I tried.To do this, I used my experience of communication and observation with socionics.

INTJ. This is a stubborn and self-sufficient researcher. I want to note that the image of a VERY smart nerd for INTJ is really a stereotype. Since INTJ have an alpha quadra (this is a value or a mission). And in this value, everyone is jolly guys. But the exception is the strict upbringing of the INTJ. Do an INTJ do something for the soul or out of curiosity, so is it useful or profitable? Or not? INTJ don't ask such questions. Yes, they are inquisitive and expand their horizons. Therefore, this type of personality can often change their hobbies and interests. Also, INTJs do not like competition, as it takes a lot of strength and energy, so they don’t need conflict for the sake of conflict and negative emotions. But they can say what they see to their face. straightness.

INTP. They avoid a lot of emotions, so they use their logic. Therefore, if they need to leave, they will simply say that they have business and INTP will leave. INTPs have a complex relationship with emotions, so they cannot sense or anticipate other people's emotions. Because of this, when INTP plans something, it may not take into account the opinions of other people, so INTP may begin to be considered "selfish". INTP is a critic and a negativist. Usually they will come up with something, even something that is not there, and will worry or hate it.

ENTJ. Straightforward and logical people. But is naive in relationships. Yes, they know their business well or how to get something quickly and easily, but do not understand the psychological impact. Over the course of a lifetime, an ENTJ can collect a large number of templates and use them for a lifetime. So if someone in the ENTJ's social circle behaves differently, it will take them by surprise. But he will try to solve the problem. ENTJ only look at the actions that are directed at them, so if you say one thing but do another, the conclusion will be from the actions.

ENTP. They love to joke immorally. Call someone an idiot. It's all ENTP style. Since people do not like to use pain blocks, and for ENTPs this is the ethics of relationships. They don't like the topic of relationships. Since this makes him plunge into the analysis of their own actions in relation to other people. ENTP see the world through a wide range of ideas and opportunities. Therefore, we live once and do everything that interests us, what if the sign "dangerous" is lying?

ENFJ. Feel the emotions of others very well. Even rather shades of human behavior. They see well the bad that is customary to hide in society. This happens unconsciously when trying to bring a person into conflict and analyze how the other person will act. Therefore, the ENFJ is like a dog in an airport looking for a criminal. ENFJ do not want to judge anyone, but will only say what is necessary to the face. ENFJ believe if you are their friend, then act like a friend, but if you make a mistake, then it is fatal.

INFP. This type is immersed in his inner world and fixated on the present time inside their fantasies. It can be noted that INFPs do not want to take money for their work, especially if it is a hobby. They can easily obstragirovatsya and believe in the best. Freedom is very important to them, but order is needed, as they can quickly relax and lose energy while lying on the couch. Routine work is slavery, so if there is no freedom in life, then there is no INFP in life. Because of this, memes about suicide appeared.

INFJ. The most comfortable. Usually INFJ inspires confidence in other people, as this type of personality finds its own individual approach to everyone, to share revelations. Attuned to changes in interpersonal relationships. Usually INFJ is a mirror, INFJ seem to be trying on someone else's image. Due to global thinking and emphasis on the ethical component, INFJ divide people into groups. Often they try to resolve the conflict quickly or not even start. Therefore, it is easier for them to forget or forgive the person who told them rudeness.

ENFP. Easily maintains friendly relations, especially if it brings a lot of positive and interesting events. But ENFP will not communicate with someone else, as this is a very reasonable type of personality. But on an intuitive level, the ENFP know if this person is theirs or not. Only at close range can one recognize this positive person as a rational person. Thinks ENFP very spontaneously from one thought to another.

ISTJ. They look at the world through his logic, so if you don't like their logic, you can leave. Therefore, the ISTJ is very picky about people so that other people are close to their opinion and logic. The longer the relationship with the ISTJ, then more rules may appear, but it depends on the upbringing. It can be noted that since childhood, ISTJ set its own rules. And in order to bring them back from heaven to earth, others need to throw a tantrum. An ISTJ can become bored in a relationship with a calm person.

ISFJ. They usually want to know more so that nothing bad happens. But at the same time, ESFJs are afraid of the new and the unknown. Therefore, this type is inherently suspicious. Unlike ENTJ, ISFJ draw conclusions from words, not from actions. Trying to change someone. This type of personality is not conflict, but if a quarrel have already occurred, then he will begin to lecture. It is also important for ISFJs to have a plan and understanding of their future. And ISFJs are very loyal friends, and it is difficult for them to part with a person if they have a lot of memories.

ESTJ. They are always ready to meet the problem face to face. A very tense personality type. Because of this, ESTJs can get busy and work hard, which is why they can be called a "robot" and it's normal for ESTJs to forget about their condition. If some kind of chaos is going on around them, then ESTJ is cut off and continues to work. Therefore, at work, the ESTJ do not pretend to work.

ESFJ. They spend a lot of his energy on communication. Who sees what alone and sees who, who is. Able to compare and draw conclusions from this. ESFJ switch between modes, so if they have moved home, it will be difficult to get them outside. Any changes or innovations stress the ESFJ. There is a distinctive feature of the ESFJ "If something helped me, then it will help you too" or "It's delicious, so it will be delicious for you too." And if someone wants to prove that it doesn't work that way, it will be very difficult.

ISFP. Their stereotypical positive attitude has a place to be. An emotion-driven personality type, meaning if an ISFP is in a good mood, they will go out and buy something to please themselves. ISFP will not look at their financial condition, if they have enough money for some kind of purchase, they will take it. ISFPs are masters of emotions, so they can help other people and fix their emotional state for better or worse.

ESFP. The type of people who do first, think later. And if because of this they did something bad, they do not find a place for themselves and there is no forgiveness for themselves. They try to gather everyone and chat everyone. Also, ESFP believe that they should do everything perfectly, and then get praise. Often they believe that they are doing their job better than anyone else, and more often this is self-deception. If you point out that their work is nothing, then congratulations ESFP think you're an idiot. And if ESFPs like you, it shows in the way they listen to you, then talk about themselves, even admitting their shortcomings.

ISTP. Bring in the soul, but not in words. Therefore, ISTP will not say something beautiful and poetic, but this type of person tries to do and show his feelings by this. They put their soul and feelings into their actions. ISTP see problems and do not idealize others. If you don't like something, you say it straight to your face. It can also be noted that ISTPs have a "creative" clutter that they don't notice. But in chaos, they always find everything they need, but if they get tired of this dump, they can take it apart. A very picky personality type, as convenience is important to them.

ESTP. When they want something, they always try to achieve it through participation in all events and ESTP take responsibility for the "parties". ESTP can always make logical arguments in their favor. And if ESTP don't get what they want because of some other person, then that other person may look stupid, because ESTP's arguments are ironclad. Can often tell others what to do so that the result is faster and better. But this is not out of malice, and if his actions lead to hatred towards the ESTP, it can drive them into a corner and lower their social activity.

[intocleanness]

Lately I've been getting into Battletech/Mechwarrior shit, for a very strange muscle memory reason - I played Mechwarrior 2 way back when, on an Apple Quadra. None of the lore made any sense to me, all I knew was heat gauges and alpha strikes. So it's kind of supremely cool that the old bitcrushed laser and peaking midi noises of MW2 have been turned into this thing I can just crank the levels up on my headphones and engage with MW5.

[phlve]

Socionics Quadras — Alpha

Alpha, or the ‘first’ quadra, includes ILE, SEI, ESE, and LII. Dominant IM elements of Alpha quadra: Ne, Si, Fe, Ti.

Reinin characterizes this quadra as Judicious, Merry, and Democratic.

Dominant elements

The dominant IM elements of the Alpha Quadra are Ne, Ti, Fe, Si. Grouping together the elements of the Ego blocks of the Alpha Quadra types, we get a picture of what aspects of life Alpha Quadra types strive to bring to the forefront of life, as well as the kind of group atmosphere and lifestyle they pursue.

Ne blocked with Ti:

Alpha types are inclined to discuss highly theoretical concepts as a source of intellectual stimulation and fun rather than for their practical merits.

Alpha types tend to value logically consistent beliefs and ideas, and behavior that is consistent with personal values.

Alpha types typically follow through on their ideas in the form of group activity.

Fe blocked with Si:

Alpha types tend to enjoy participating in groups where there is free exchange of positive emotional expression in an atmosphere pleasing to the senses.

Alpha types are inclined to discuss stories told in detail and according to the sequence in which events happened, rather than “jump to the point” quickly.

Alpha types are inclined to show affection for others in the form of small practical services or gifts.

Alpha types tend to feel energized in the positive atmosphere of special events, such as public holidays, parties and special celebrations.

Subdued elements

The subdued IM elements of the Alpha Quadra are Se, Ni, Te, Fi. Grouping together the elements of the Super-Ego blocks of the Alpha Quadra types, we get a picture of what aspects of life Alpha types strive to keep hidden, avoid, not focus attention on, and keep at the periphery of their lives.

Se blocked with Fi:

Alpha types prefer to avoid the discussion of controversial and unpleasant subjects regarding personal relationships while in groups, especially if leading to confrontations.

Alpha types are inclined to be tolerating of minor past misdeeds by others, giving priority to reconciliation and a convivial atmosphere.

Ni blocked with Te:

Alpha types are less likely to make investments that require long-term commitment and upkeep. They prefer short-term investments that offer a reliable outcome with minimal involvement.

Alpha types avoid taking direct life advice, preferring to experience and learn for themselves. They perceive people who try to give such advice as pedantic.

Group behavior

Inclination for comfortable and pleasant group atmosphere, in the emotional, sensorial, and intellectual aspects. An ideal Alpha group situation is the exchange of light-hearted jokes while discussing imaginative ideas, movies, or sometimes sports, all while enjoying pleasant food and drink. Narrating personal experiences usually takes the form of telling a joke; funny personal experiences are preferred over “serious” ones. The exchange of sober concrete details are avoided. If the group is playing a game together, the fun and jokes that go along with it are at least as important as the game itself. They avoid generating “heavy” moments; any dramatic expressions are limited in time, most often in service of a joke. Alphas are also perhaps the most likely types to participate in group use of mind-altering substances.

Alpha discussions tend to go off on tangents, in whatever direction seems most interesting or funny at the moment. Unusual personal observations are common, resulting from the analysis of the idiosyncrasies or inconsistencies of everyday life. If many in the group share the same observations, they are likely to express their agreement emphatically, so as to create a kind of “mental harmony” which enhances the group dynamic. If a new problem is encountered, it is expanded and developed in as many ways as possible, until some kind of satisfactory conclusion is reached.

Alphas make no distinction between “insiders” and “outsiders”, easily drawing people into a conversation once it has begun, though they tend to just as easily withdraw if the person is not receptive. Likewise, they prefer to have the same behavior at work as at play; they find formal speech and dress to be pretentious, unnecessarily limiting, and even ridiculous. Alphas dislike the idea that there is something going on “behind the scenes”, preferring to keep things (especially personal motivations) as open and straightforward as possible.

Romance styles

Romantic relationships usually evolve from sharing activities and interests for fun in a two-person version of the group behavior description above. Priority is given to keeping the partner happy in the sense of a good mood and amused on a daily basis, with avoidance of direct accusations or unnecessarily harsh criticism; relationships are seen as a source of day-to-day fun and happiness. Focus on remembering dates of particular significance and celebrating them. Playful interactions are based around light teasing and making the partner laugh; intimate atmospheres are based on generating a comfortable, welcoming, cozy atmosphere.

Perception of other quadras

Beta

Alphas tend to regard Beta types as “cool” and “fun”, but also as bossy, boorish and coarse. In social situations, Alphas often resign the lead to Betas because Betas generally exert a ‘vibe’ of control over such situations. When positive emotions are expressed between members of these quadras, they get along quite well; however, Betas’ negative emotions are often perceived by Alphas as tiresome. Alphas often joke light-heartedly in attempt to improve Betas’ moods, or to gently ridicule them.

Gamma

Alphas tend to regard Gamma types warily, as stand-offish and emotionally cold or even hostile, especially in work situations, as well as inclined to play favorites with those they know better, or are attracted to (for whatever reason, be it sexually or for power and gain.) Alphas tend to see Gamma types as too harsh in their words and unimaginative, lacking future perspective, and even disingenuous, as well as having a mean streak of unforgivingness and vindictiveness.

Delta

Alphas tend to regard Delta types as kindly and creative, but also as pragmatic and serious. When Deltas give Alphas advice, Alphas often perceive it as well-intentioned but too simplistic and direct. Alphas often respect Deltas’ principles, opinions, and caring attitudes; however, they tend to perceive them as, at best, admirable and at worst, demanding, rather than fun.

Source: Wikisocion

[freudenstein]

Pathologic is, for the record, Ne/Si for the most part as far as I can tell. Dybowsky seems alpha quadra but I don't have the nerve to look closely, it's just the feeling I get and I may be wrong, in which case I'll delete this post. The rest of the writers may be Se/Ni. There's a mix of both in Pathologic, I think.

Bachelor Dankovsky seems best aligned with alpha quadra, with elements of delta quadra. I think he most likely may be SiFe (bonus: he looks a lot like it in Pathologic 2, using a loose CT methodology. In Pathologic classic, using the same visual typing method, he's ambiguous).

Artemy looks and behaves a lot like a CT NiFe in classic, but Pathologic 2 seems to be a different thing altogether, so I can't say anything about it until I've played the game. Visually speaking he seems like he could he FeSi(!) in 2 which is troubling, because his themes are so Se/Ni in classic. It all remains to be seen.

I also have Enneagram thoughts, but maybe in another post

[socionicsdatabase]

Hi! I'd be so thankful if you'd help me type myself.

I have had so many tests which results are always EII or LII, some of them included relative results, as it determines the percentage of my answers matching each type, and so the result is most of the time in this order: 1)EII 2)LII 3)ILI/IEI 4)ILE 5)IEI and the rest are almost null.

upon reading a little about the information elements I can confirm that both my Ne and Ni are strong and I'm pretty sure that Ne is the valued one, on the other hand both my Se and Si are very weak I don't know which one is the valued one though (I only concluded that it's Si depending on the previous data), this helped me eliminate the ILI and IEI, but still I'm having trouble determining the positions of the judging elements, I tried reading about the quadras values and I can say that I relate to the Alpha quadra primarily, and to a lesser extent the Delta quadra, reading about each type didn't help either I can't say that I don't relate to any or relate to all, I simply don't know if I do relate or not, seeing how the more I read the more confused I get, I thought I should seek assistance before I embark upon reading about the DCNH and the lead/parent subtypes.

if considering my types in other systems would do any help, here's what I'm sure about:

Enneagram core: 6(w5)

Tritype: 694

Instinctual Variants : Sp/Sx (So blind spot)

BigFive: [R]LUAI

Attitudinal Psyche (not super sure but like 60%): 1V2 2E3 3L1 4F4 (VELF)

Thanks in advance!

Hi, thanks for the question.

The problem with personality tests is that it is hard to get an accurate result unless you are absolutely sure you are answering honestly and objectively. And that can be hard to do. However, it sounds like you have tried many different tests and are always scoring either as EII or LII.

So, I would say the easiest way to tell the difference between those two types is to ask yourself how easy it is for you to accurately assess feelings, both of your own and of others. The EII can easily see and understand the way another person feels. They are excellent at reading body language, and can also often accurately determine the feelings between two individuals and the type of relationship between them. They can even see the potential relationship between two people and what is likely to develop. They are not mind readers and are not always right - but they are much more in tune with these things than an LII. They are also highly aware of their own preferences, like/dislikes, and personal feelings towards everything. Their subjective experience of their feelings is what they use to make their judgments and it guides their decisions.

In contrast, the LII has trouble accurately picking up on another person's feelings. They are also often not "in tune" with their own feelings toward people and things, because it is not what they are using to make their judgments and decisions. Instead, the LII relies on their own system of logical reasoning. Of course, LIIs do have feelings like everyone else, but their detection and understanding of emotions is weak. With weak and valued Fe, LIIs need clear, openly expressed emotions in order to be confident about them. They are not able to easily pick up on subtle cues and emotional body language the way that EIIs can. The LII may also be more likely to accidentally offend someone because they are not as aware of how their words and actions may impact the emotions of others. EIIs are also more sensitive and more easily hurt than LIIs, who are less likely to care what people think of them.

Using romantic attraction as an example, the LII is the kind of person who could be around someone for years and have no idea that the person was romantically interested in them. In contrast, the EII would have picked up on that a long time ago, because the EII is highly in tune with subtle cues and body language that give away emotions. Also, with valued Fi, the EII can often understand feelings without words or open expression. In contrast, the LII, with weak ethical functions and valued Fe, needs and prefers open, clear emotional expression. Without that, they may have no idea how another person feels or can only determine it with great difficulty. This is why LIIs are compatible with high Fe users - types like ESEs and SEIs are emotionally expressive and thus easier for the LII to understand.

Also, the EII may be more protective and secretive of their feelings than the LII. The EII is aware of their feelings and emotional reactions, but may be hesitant to make them known. In contrast, the LII may be more willing to express their feelings when prompted, but is less likely to identify what they are to begin with.

As for Quadra values, Delta emphasizes the individual unique characteristics that make us different from each other, while Alpha emphasizes the ways that we are all the same and would prefer to eliminate those differences. Democratic (Alpha and Gamma) vs. Aristocratic (Delta and Beta). Asking yourself which of those resonates more with you could further help differentiate between EII and LII.

So, I hope this helps. Both of them can appear similar on the outside, both are very reserved and analytical, but the EII understands human behavior and emotions much more easily than the LII, who may struggle in that area.

Based on your results, I think the 4 fix in your tritype combined with your Big Five result of RLUAI makes EII seem more likely, as "limbic" types are more sensitive, more easily hurt and more aware of their emotions and emotional reactions. This corresponds more with EII than LII. Also, the way that you described the process of typing yourself sounds more like an Fi/Te approach - you are searching for information (Te) and determining whether or not you can personally relate to it/share the same values (Fi). LIIs would likely take a more organized, impersonal approach of learning the personality system in depth first and then deciding where they fit within that system.

[itypeyou]

Alpha Quadra motto

[brandonwayneb]

ELF is what they always want

because its direct spellings of FEEL

sub arguments about

"electric eels" or

"fan elephants"

"blood elf"

"spiritual blood letters"

ELF. & ALPHA

Fairy,

and FAY,

say to DRAGONFLIES

not "gay butterfly betty boop"

gay cigarettes,

WAR VETS

WAR BETS

"Blood EL"

Equate RED TOM

Tommy Guns 💪🏽

Spiritual Alphas

Gye Rate,

Gymnastics Blood EL

XMEN SCOTTY

HERCULES CUPIDS

"cup bids"

women checking victims with "gay cigarettes"

and white supremists giving "LAB BOT TOMMYS"

"MOMMY MOMMY"

murder cover up languages,

STABS INTO THE "PINEAL GLAND"

"LAB BOT TOMMY"

making "EN VAIL NATES"

"SETS" and "DEATH LAWSUITS"

"QUADRA HYDRA PETS"

White brutality groups, Telepathically harassment and Energy MANA mutulation

such as "GENOCIDE"

or "BLOOD ELF NECROMANCY"

america backdoor practices,

sub atomic 7Up antigravity spherical gravity

fathom spaces

Tom. Ava.

Lava. "Blood ELF necromancy"

mixed management teams,

zero excuses "double interests groups, within INNER lingo"

code "cell damage"

code "cell damn permit"

code brutality club languages

Pro Seven Eleven

Pro Truth

No "Single Syllables" on public rights

"BLOOD ELF"

"FAIRY EVOLUTIONS"

JINNS

KINETICS

white politics illegal background interest groups, LAB GROUPS

[windudemon]

mbti is maybe basic but socionics is a mess

as you can see at the bottom right socionics votings, SEI got the highest vote for bella and SEI is fe creative (alpha quadra, second slot fe). next highest vote is ILI (gamma) and that’s fe polr! hmmmm, of course it’s hard to tell if a character is fe creative or fe blindspot/polr... LOL! and then the third highest vote is SLI which is ANOTHER fe blindspot!

how to explain this? easy. socionics cultists brainlessly believe that isfps in mbti are just SEIs in socionics. because uuuuu, in mbti and socionics functions are different. but then this bella page of PDB is a perfect testament to the lies they tell themselves because all the other socionics types following SEI are non-fe users. 2nd and 3rd being directly fe avoiders/haters.

but yeah, bella has no fe at all. looking at her DEFAULT grumpy mcgrump face once is enough.

here is another crazy result from socionics voters. this time, they can’t decide if a character is SEI or SEE! si dom or si ignoring… hmm… se dom or se ignoring… these things are not even slightly similar.

jesse pinkman, like bella swan, do not have an ounce of fe, let alone fe creative/second slot. there’s no way in hell to type him SEI therefore. there’s no way to type him SEE either, because SEE means fe demonstrative. mbti voters at least consistent with the first two functions. socionics voters can’t decide if this is SiFe or SeFi.

JUST ASK YOURSELF… HOW IN THE FUCKING FUCK THESE CHARACTERS FITS INTO ALPHA QUADRA LIGHTHEARTED MERRY BLABLA!?!?!?!

HERE IS “THE MOST” BASIC SEI/ILE MECHANIC : SEI SMILES, ILE GETS ENCOURAGED BY THAT. ILE WON’T APPROACH YOU IF YOU ARE GRUMPY OR JUDGY OR PRETENTIOUS.

alpha quadra types likes a non-dramatic, democratic (as in non-stuck up/non-hierarchical), smiley, lighthearted, merry, easygoing, carefree and chill atmosphere. the characters above create the opposite effect with their attitudes.

[celebsocio]

Socionics Quadra’s as Emojis

Alpha 💡🎉 🍽🥳

Beta  ♟🍻🏆😎

Gamma 🛍🥂💵🤩

Delta 🌎☕️🧩☺️

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[Giới thiệu Quadra]

Thế giới của 16 Archetypes được chia thành 4 nhóm Quadra với cứ mỗi 4 type thuộc về một nhóm. Mỗi nhóm Quadra sử dụng 4 chức năng giống nhau ở 4 vị trí đầu Functional Stack của mình. Ngay sau khi xác định được Quadra của mỗi người, ngay lập tức bạn có thể loại bỏ được 12 type chỉ cần tập trung type người đó qua 4 type còn lại.

1. Alpha Quadra (α)

Nhóm Quadra đầu tiên có tên là Alpha. Nhóm Alpha bao gồm 4 type INTP, ENTP, ISFJ và ESFJ. 4 type này đều có các chức năng nhận thức ở 4 vị trí đầu là:

• Introverted Thinking (Ti) + Extraverted Feeling (Fe) (Trục Ti + Fe)

• Introverted Sensing (Si) + Extraverted Intuition (Ne) (Trục Si + Ne)

Vị trí chức năng nhận thức của nhóm Alpha:

• INTP (Ti Ne Si Fe)

• ENTP (Ne Ti Fe Si)

• ISFJ (Si Fe Ti Ne)

• ESFJ (Fe Si Ne Ti)

2. Beta Quadra (β)

Nhóm Quadra thứ hai có tên là Beta. Nhóm Beta bao gồm 4 type INFJ, ENFJ, ISTP và ESTP. 4 type này đều có các chức năng nhận thức ở 4 vị trí đầu là:

• Introverted Thinking (Ti) + Extraverted Feeling (Fe) (Trục Ti + Fe)

• Introverted Intuition (Ni) + Extraverted Sensing (Se) (Trục Ni + Se)

Vị trí chức năng nhận thức của nhóm Beta:

• INFJ (Ni Fe Ti Se)

• ENFJ (Fe Ni Se Ti)

• ISTP (Ti Se Ni Fe)

• ESTP (Se Ti Fe Ni)

3. Gamma Quadra (γ)

Nhóm Quadra thứ 3 có tên là Gamma. Nhóm Gamma bao gồm 4 type INTJ, ENTJ, ISFP, ESFP. 4 type này đều có các chức năng nhận thức ở 4 vị trí đầu là:

• Introverted Intuition (Ni) + Extraverted Sensing (Se) (Trục Ni + Se)

• Introverted Feeling (Fi) + Extraverted Thinking (Te) (Trục Fi + Te)

Vị trí chức năng nhận thức của nhóm Gamma:

• INTJ (Ni Te Fi Se)

• ENTJ (Te Ni Se Fi)

• ISFP (Fi Se Ni Te)

• ESFP (Se Fi Te Ni)

4. Delta Quadra (δ)

Nhóm Quadra cuối cùng là Delta. Nhóm Delta bao gồm 4 type INFP, ENFP, ISTJ và ESTJ. 4 type này đều có các chức năng nhận thức ở 4 vị trí đầu là:

• Introverted Sensing (Si) + Extraverted Intuition (Ne) (Trục Si + Ne)

• Introverted Feeling (Fi) + Extraverted Thinking (Te) (Trục Fi + Te)

Vị trí chức năng nhận thức của nhóm Delta:

• INFP (Fi Ne Si Te)

• ENFP (Ne Fi Te Si)

• ISTJ (Si Te Fi Ne)

• ESTJ (Te Si Ne Fi)

> Để xác định được Quadra của mỗi người bạn chỉ cần xác định được họ dùng các chức năng nhận thức nào trong các cuộc hội thoại của họ. Mỗi nội dung và câu nói đều có thể quy về chức năng nhận thức. Và để phát hiện được chúng, chúng ta sẽ dựa vào sắc thái riêng của các chức năng nhận thức hoặc/và cách hoạt động của các trục chức năng nhận thức.

Sắc thái riêng của 8 chức năng nhận thức trong giao tiếp:

*Introverted: cá nhân, bản thân. Extraverted: người xung quanh, tập thể.

1. Introverted Intuition:

• Cái bản thân mong muốn. (wants)

• Lựa chọn của cá nhân.

• Ý chí.

• Khả năng bám chặt.

• Không ngơi nghỉ.

• Sự quyết tâm.

• Đam mê, say đắm.

2. Extraverted Intuition:

• Cái người khác mong muốn.

• Mong muốn được mong muốn.

• Khả năng tiên đoán tương lai đặc biệt về hậu quả hành động.

• Thế giới siêu hình.

• Các khả năng.

3. Introverted Sensing:

• Nhiệm vụ, nghĩa vụ.

• Đức tin.

• Kiên trì, kiên nhẫn.

• Khả năng chịu đựng.

• Sự an toàn của bản thân.

• Kỷ luật cá nhân.

• Hành động của bản thân.

• Những thứ cần phải. (needs)

• Kiên định, ít dao động.

• Quá khứ bản thân.

4. Extroverted Sensing:

• Trải nghiệm.

• Truyền động lực.

• Thực tế.

• Hành động của người khác.

• Tìm kiếm sự chú ý.

• Quá khứ của người khác.

• Làm thế nào? (The how)

5. Introverted Thinking:

• Logic.

• Tư duy diễn dịch nếu/thì (dựa vào logic của bản thân để phân tích và đi đến kết luận hơn là niềm tin/số liệu từ tập thể).

• Sự thực.

• Kể sự thật và chân lý.

6. Extraverted Thinking:

• Dữ liệu, suy nghĩ tập thể.

• Chủ nghĩa quy nạp dựa vào số đông. (nếu số đông cho rằng nó đúng thì niềm tin đó là đúng đắn)

• Niềm tin.

• Danh tiếng.

• Địa vị.

• Quyền lực.

7. Introverted Feeling:

• Cảm xúc, cảm giác của cá nhân.

• Thông cảm. (sympathy)

• Các giá trị cá nhân. (personal values)

• Nguyên tắc.

• Đạo đức cá nhân.

• La bàn lương tri.

• Giá trị bản thân.

8. Extraverted Feeling:

• Cảm xúc, cảm giác của người xung quanh.

• Đồng cảm. (empathy)

• Sự thừa nhận.

• Sự công bằng.

• Đạo lý, luân lý, quan tâm đến giá trị tập thể. (collective good)

• Quan tâm, lo lắng, chăm sóc tới người xung quanh.

>>> Bạn chỉ cần tìm 2 trong số 8 chức năng nhận thức sẽ ngay lập tức tìm được Quadra bằng cách áp trục nhận thức vào các chức năng nhận thức đó:

• Trục Ni + Se (Có Ni ngay lập tức có Se và ngược lại)

• Trục Si + Ne (Có Si ngay lập tức có Ne và ngược lại)

• Trục Fi + Te (Có Fi ngay lập tức có Te và ngược lại)

• Trục Ti + Fe (Có Ti ngay lập tức có Fe và ngược lại)

Cách hoạt động của các trục chức năng nhận thức trong giao tiếp:

1. Trục Ni + Se:

• Tôi muốn (Ni) đem cho bạn trải nghiệm (Se) này.

• Những người xung quanh đang làm gì ở hiện tại/đã làm gì trong quá khứ (hành động của người xung quanh).

2. Trục Si + Ne:

• Quá khứ của bản thân, những gì họ đã làm trong quá khứ.

• Tôi đã làm (Si) điều này trong quá khứ vậy nên bạn có thể muốn (Ne - cái người khác muốn) làm điều này.

• Tại sao bạn lại muốn làm theo cách đó (Ne), tôi từng có trải nghiệm tệ với điều đó.

3. Trục Fi + Te:

• Tôi không cảm thấy tốt (Fi - cảm xúc cá nhân) về ý tưởng của bạn (Te - suy nghĩ tập thể, người xung quanh).

• Tôi cảm thấy tốt (Fi) về ý tưởng của bạn (Te). Bạn thật thông minh (Te)!

4. Trục Ti + Fe:

• Tôi có ý tưởng này nhưng tôi không biết (Ti) liệu đó có phải là một điều tốt (Fe - một điều tốt = collective good).

[freudenstein]

Welp. Life is becoming tough on me and I have a creeping feeling that it's about to get even tougher. Some alpha quadra cuddles would be nice right now

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SEE (ESFp) vs ESE (ESFj)

With these two types, you have an aggressor (SEE) versus a caregiver (ESE) from opposite quadras.  Basically, the SEE will want to push you out of your comfort zone, while the ESE will want to create that comfort zone.

Lead Se (4D - SEE, Valued) vs. Se Demonstrative (4D - ESE, Unvalued)

SEE types like pushing themselves, physically, to the max. They seek out intense physical challenges that are difficult for them. For example, if an SEE goes rock climbing, it's because they want to do something challenging and prove that they are capable of 'conquering' it.  If someone can’t keep up with them, they may see them as weak.  They can appear competitive, domineering, and aggressive at times.  Use of physical force is seen as something natural to them, they may see roughness and aggression as playful and they may be confused if others criticize them for it.  

ESEs, in contrast, are not as concerned with pushing themselves for the sake of a challenge.  They engage in physical experiences primarily because they are pleasant and enjoyable. If an ESE goes rock climbing, it's because they think it's fun and they like the feeling it gives them. The 4D Se in the ESE makes them athletic and capable of taking on difficult physical challenges. They have a lot of energy for performing physical activities. However, they don't typically seek out physical experiences just for the challenge. They can protect themselves and others if necessary, but they prefer not to use aggression and are usually gentle, docile people.

Creative Fi (3D - SEE, Valued) vs. Fi Ignoring (3D - ESE, Unvalued)

SEEs are very aware of who they like and dislike, and can quickly and easily build relationships that can help them attain their Se-driven goals.  They often like to be 'in charge' of social situations and expect to be the undisputed leader in social groups (Se-Fi). They are aware of the power dynamics of social situations, and will desire for themselves to hold the upper hand in interactions.  They may put particular focus on certain individuals who have what they are looking for, while not paying as much attention to others.  They are also highly aware of and respectful of individual traits and characteristics, and will usually not force everyone to join the group or participate if they don’t want to.

ESEs, on the other hand, try to engage everyone equally and want everyone to be included. They tend to assume everyone wants to be included, even if that is not the case.  The ESE overlooks individual personality traits and characteristics in favor of the overall collective atmosphere.  It is more important to them that everyone participate and be a part of something together, regardless of their own personal preferences.

Role Ne (2D - SEE, Unvalued) vs. Mobilizing Ne (2D - ESE, Valued)

SEEs want to appear like adventurous people who are always seeking something new.  They often are looking for new experiences, but these are physical experiences rooted in reality.  They are not easily able to see possibilities and opportunities, and may show little interest in fantasy and abstract ideas, especially if they can’t be applied to the real world.  They can quickly grow tired of discussions involving “what could be”.  They would rather take action than speculate, and may see such discussions as a waste of time.

ESEs also have weak Ne, but unlike SEEs, they are fascinated by fantastical, abstract ideas, even if they have no rooting in reality.  Like the Alpha NTs, they may have an interest in science fiction and enjoy discussing strange and unusual ideas, crazy inventions (Ne-Ti), and future possibilities.  They enjoy talking about “what could be”, even if they don’t intend to take action right away.  These types of discussions are highly enjoyable for them and can inspire them.

Vulnerable Ti (1D - SEE, Unvalued) vs. Ti Suggestive (1D - ESE, Valued)

SEEs are impulsive and often act without thinking things through.  They hate having rules or structure imposed on them, and may see them as a restriction of their freedom.  They also often do not have the patience for lengthy, detailed explanations.  They will grow bored of any attempt to explain or define a concept in depth.  They are primarily interested in the necessary information needed to do the task.  “What do I need to know?”  And then they will be quick to act based on that.  

In contrast, ESEs will eagerly listen to in-depth, detailed explanations of concepts.  They want clarity and seek to understand things in their entirety.  They highly respect people who can provide clear definitions to concepts and can think things through logically (Stratiyevskaya).  They also appreciate structure and will often try to act within a framework that they have accepted.  They see rules and structure as comforting rather than restrictive.

Ni Suggestive (1D - SEE, Valued) vs. Vulnerable Ni (1D - ESE, Unvalued)

The SEE often acts without thinking of the consequences.  They don’t think much about what is going to happen in the future, but they highly respect people who can give them some insight and clarity into it.  They appreciate someone who can tell them which steps are most beneficial to take in the future (which Gamma NTs, due to their strong Ni-Te, do naturally) and want someone who can point out the right path and enable them to make good decisions.  A person who knows which steps to take for the best possible future outcome is a person who can save the SEE from wasting time, and this is one of their most valuable resources.

Time is also a valuable resource for the ESE, but they may never feel that they have enough of it.  Thinking about the future is a source of stress for the ESE, and unlike the SEE, they may be irritated by any attempts to tell them what they should do for the future and what decision to make.  Like the SEE, they may be constantly in a hurry and constantly rushing around (Stratiyevskaya).  But in contrast to the SEE, speaking about the future does not calm them or give them confidence.  It only stresses them out even more.  They already feel overwhelmed enough with making use of the time they have in the present moment.

Activating Te (2D - SEE, Valued) vs. Te Role (2D - ESE, Unvalued)

The SEE loves working with efficient people who can get things done effectively, and they strive to be this way themselves. They like being the leader and can be seen as bossy.  They are confident that they know how to get things done quickly, and appreciate hard workers who know how to accomplish tasks well.

The ESE also likes to be seen as a productive, efficient person.  They may always be busy and appear to be completing many different tasks, but this will usually be done in an ineffective way, and they may waste a lot of time and energy doing unnecessary things.  The tasks they prioritize are often driven by social concerns and a desire to please others rather than real efficiency.

Si Ignoring (3D - SEE, Unvalued) vs. Si Creative (3D - ESE, Valued)

Harmony, comfort, coziness?  The SEE is aware of these things, they just don’t care much about them.  In their opinion, it’s much more fun to force yourself through strenuous physical challenges than it is to worry about maintaining comfort.  They may be health conscious, but place a lot of emphasis on physical exertion.  They may overwork themselves and pay little attention to rest and relaxation.  They may even see the need for relaxation as a sign of weakness or laziness, a belief common to all the Gamma types.

In contrast, the ESE desires to create harmony, comfort, and coziness.  They are natural caregivers.  They want to make sure everyone is comfortable and taken care of.  They enjoy taking care of the physical needs of others.  Hands-on tasks such as cooking and sewing may come naturally to ESEs and they genuinely like being able to take care of others.  They try to create the relaxation that SEEs may see as unimportant.

Fe Demonstrative (4D - SEE, Unvalued) vs. Fe Lead (4D - ESE, Valued)

The SEE is expressive and can come across as emotionally dramatic at times.  They don’t try to hold their emotions in, but they also aren’t consciously using their emotions in any particular way.  If they feel something, it just comes out.  They may try to be cheerful and blend into the group atmosphere, and can often easily become the center of attention, but if something irritates them, they are not going to hide it.  They can be engaging and entertaining, but it all depends on their own mood and how they are feeling.

ESEs, on the other hand, try to engage others and create a positive emotional mood regardless of how they themselves personally feel. One of their main concerns is whether or not people are enjoying themselves and having a good time.  These are the types of people who see the person standing alone in the corner and will go over to them, engage them in friendly conversation, try to make them smile and laugh and then bring them into the larger group.  If someone appears emotionally unexpressive, they may mistakenly think that the person is unhappy and may try to get them to “open up”.  This is because Fe relies on external indications of emotion.

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Kevin McCallister - INFP to ENTP?

Hi! Quickish holiday-themed question for you - I was tooling around the internet after watching Home Alone 2, and found this old reblog of typing by you that types Kevin as an INFP. The current typing on FunkyMBTI lists him as an ENTP and I was wondering what similarities these types have, at least in their outward presentation, that might make an ENTP seem like an INFP or vice versa, since the two types are (stereotypically) pretty different.  I’m especially curious about how the ENTP function stack might combine to masquerade dominant Fi. Full disclosure, this is partially a selfish ask because I was always typed as INFP in my teens and 20’s, but after actually studying the functions (and taking this very un-hackable test you posted) have been finding that the functions in the socionics Alpha Quadra might be a better fit. It would be interesting to see how an Alpha Quadra type might be similar to INFP!

I really enjoy your blog, by the way!  Been learning a lot about the cognitive functions through it :-D, and I appreciate how well you can use actual examples of a character’s actions or words to see past whatever the general consensus is on a character’s type (like OMG I can totally see now how Juliet Capulet is INTP, not a Feeler!) Thanks, and if you celebrate Thanksgiving, hope you’re having a good holiday! ~spaceplesiosaur

I can’t really give you a decent answer, because the basic one is: I was wrong. The old typing is a “cringe” moment from my past, before I understood the functions. Once I realized its wrongness, I changed it to the correct typing.

ENTPs in actuality never seem like Fi-doms. There’s too much open-minded manic Ne energy and skill with its use, compared to the rigid propriety of a Fi-dom, who is constantly judging the world and everything in it according to its own standard. ENTPs have the potential to be amoral in ways Fi-doms are not, because of their desire to hack every situation to their advantage.

If you are questioning your type, I would consider how important moral ethics are to you and by what criteria you use to judge other people’s behaviors and/or make your decisions. Healthy Fi-doms use a ‘skilled’ variety of Fi that is able to see and understand the nuances of emotional dynamics (I don’t agree with you but I won’t try to change you) without compromising their own sense of integrity. Kevin isn’t making value decisions (other than his desire to help out the toy store and the kids without any presents); he is protecting his home in creative ways and screwing with the bad guys for his own amusement (tert-Fe).